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I didn't mind the pace. But I kind of lost interest. It seems like reading the manga was enough for me.

This episode also felt rushed. First we get the subhuman suddenly being an adult after one week when we didn't see her appearance change at all in the weeks covered last episode. Then we have a meeting with the other heroes at the hourglass when they didn't have any reason to be there since they would've gone to check it out and get the timer long ago, unless they were there specifically to harass Naofumi. And then the wave itself where Naofumi just runs around smacking a few zombies which is enough to get all their attention, which is super inspiring to all the villagers who left two minutes ago, while the knights also got thrown in near the end.
I guess the problem isn't just that it's rushed, but that they're trying to focus on too many things at once and so every part of it feels like it's not getting the attention it should be. Though I have no idea what sort of pace this is going through the LNs; it could be a problem with the source material itself.

>>26932
The weirdest part about the timeskip was how jarring it was regarding the treatment of demi-humans. Everyone treated them like garbage and now most mob characters like the raccoon.

Yeah i think Ill just read the manga/ln after that last episode.

There you go it was explained.
Also nice episode, I guess. We can be less edgy from now on. Maybe.

It's absolutely comical how much everyone is out to get this guy. I guess that curse stuff isn't going to go anywhere now either.
The soundtrack is the only thing keeping me going after this shitshow.

>>26983
Do they now?
At first everyone thinks he is useless as a hero. Which maybe means they lack some imagination, but whatever, it is understandable enough. They weren't openly hostile towards him, just dismissive.
Then the princess decided to fuck with him, steal his money and in the process made him into a criminal. From this point on it is understandable why everyone would treat him as a scum. Maybe they didn't investigate enough, but you shouldn't really be expecting them to do something we don't do properly even in modern times. At that it was a damn princess.
Then there is the horny white knight. I don't know, maybe they exaggerated his "evilness" a bit in the anime, but he is obviously being controlled by the princess like a complete retard.
During the battle, though visually it was very obvious for us that the princess used an attack, they explained later it was an air attack that was hardly visible even to the other two heroes. Why didn't they say anything earlier? Plot, I guess, but they eventually did. Both of the other heroes actually acted very fair to the MC and even at the very least probably started recognizing it was all bullshit. The only butthurt ones were really the princess, somewhat her father that was really just protecting his little bitch and the butthurt white knight.
If anything only now we can really see how fair will at least two of the heroes be towards him. That said he is probably still considered weak and with enough reason for that. Even if he had the upperhead in the duel to a certain extend, it can easily be explained as dirty trickery and he lost to a single stronger attack. To be honest I am not sure it can be said the wind attack from the princess even played much of a role. The plot armour he had during the battle was the real factor.

>>26984
>They weren't openly hostile towards him, just dismissive.
Nah, it was not just dismissive. The legends of the Shield Hero include that he's a bad person. The active non-involvement with him shows that he's not thought as just useless, but as actively toxic.
Then again, this is just a classical revenge story, we don't need to overanalyze it.

>>26985
Sure, they were prejudice towards him, but they didn't really bother him until there was a reason to. It is not like there was some big conspiracy to fuck with him. They even gave him more starting money to compensate him somewhat about having a small party. It was the decision of the bitch princess to exploit him on her own at most the blonde white knight too, if he wasn't just tricked for the whole ride.
Of course it has its negatives and they exaggerated on the evil faces, which can be interpreted as what the MC only sees anyway. Otherwise up until this point of the story the characters as a whole haven't been unfair with him with the exception of the one or two culprits and the king that is obviously going to believe his daughter.
It is easy for us, because we know the truth, but for everyone else he was indeed a scum.

>>26986
Really? I'd say that the legends for the Shield Hero can easily count as a big conspiracy to fuck with him.
And no, in any group of real human beings there is always some contrarians that start asking for stuff like "due process" or start murmuring about "corrupt government", no matter what age we are talking about. Nowadays these contrarians even live after their murmurings. But the Shield Hero doesn't get any of that. It's all black and white. And it's enjoyable exactly because it's a simple revenge story without any muddying the ground with stuff like grey-and-gray morality.

>>26988
Characters were mostly accepting of their fate as heroes, though maybe they take it as a game a bit too much. Spear was as if experiencing pain for the first time and it was against the weakest monster around. So that aside, which was simple ignored, because it is not the focus of the story and it has been done before, another Shield Hero in the past might have very easily given up on participating in the saving of the world and levelling up. He might have not learned how to properly use his powers or even just simple was a bad person. There is nothing that surprising about it and in fact the "I am the guy with the useless shield" is something anyone could easily think and give up one even trying, especially if he was just left to be. That seemed to be point in the anime itself.
In fact it can be said that the way the MC was tricked gave him the will to survive against all odds.
Though I have heard other people describing the story as a revenge one, up until this point of the anime I can't say there is anything of the sort. At most the MC is surviving. He wasn't plotting his revenge, he wasn't doing anything to further such a narrative. Sure he was angry, but that didn't translate to revenge. He just wanted to survive the saving of the world and leave. Even if we the viewers want to see the bad guys facing justice, the MC so far has done, nor planned anything of the sort.

>>26986
> but they didn't really bother him until there was a reason to.
Did you forget about this part already?
>>26932
>Then we have a meeting with the other heroes at the hourglass when they didn't have any reason to be there since they would've gone to check it out and get the timer long ago, unless they were there specifically to harass Naofumi.

>>26990
Yeah. They had no reason to be there. It was bad writing. It wasn't a specific campaign to harass him. Though even if it was, they think he is a rapist let free, which is the reason in question to bother him. Despite that they haven't exactly beaten him randomly on the street or anything. They just looked at him with disgust. Even the first time someone thought to do beat him up, under the influence of bitch princess, it was in an official duel.
I don't see how this could be an argument in any way.

>>26991
>Even the first time someone thought to do beat him up, under the influence of bitch princess, it was in an official duel.
You forgot the other time. Pic related.
>>26986
>and they exaggerated on the evil faces, which can be interpreted as what the MC only sees anyway.
This is certainly a big part of it, Spear guy seemed like he was in on it the entire time, but apparently he's just a complete retard that does whatever Myne tells him and has no independent thought. Except that even before the rape accusation we saw him being incredibly arrogant and self-absorbed, moreso than the other two heroes.

Also, Myne being a princess makes this whole set up stupid in the first place. She sets up Naofumi just to steal 100 silvers from him when she's the fucking princess? She'd already have plenty of money, which means that this whole thing is just specifically her deciding to fuck with Naofumi for no reason.

On another note, I'm pretty sure the end of this episode with Raphtalia mentioning the demi-human sudden growth spurt was the first time anyone other than a hero had mentioned levels, and aside from that the only other time was Naofumi mentioning it in front of someone else who didn't really react to it. Until now I was under the impression that only the heroes had this special information given to them.

>>26991
>It was bad writing.
The scene did what it wanted to do. It isn't bad writing, it just doesn't fit with your headcanon.

>>26992
>This is certainly a big part of it,
I don't think we'd gain anything if we worry about unreliable narrators. Death of the author, I know, but certainly she intended the evil faces to be taken literally.

>>26992
>Pic related.
Random fags wanted to rob they perceive as weaker? What is even your point? At that point he was already known as the guy that tried to rape the princess, so already has the excuse to treat him as garbage anyway, no that it matters to them.
>Also, Myne being a princess
Being the princess doesn't mean she necessarily gets everything, even though her daddy seems like the kind of guy that would give her everything. Maybe it is because they shouldn't be giving the heroes more money than what the king has given them, because reasons? Also she stole all of the equipment they had bought. He was given 800 silver in total. Considering, I think, that the other princess is going to going to join Shieldbro? there might be some sort of totally fair competition between them for the crown. Who knows yet. Maybe they will explain it one day, maybe not.
Might as well be just shit writing, it is not super important.
>On another note
Pretty sure they told them to go level up their stats in the beginning. Not important to the argument even if it is shit writing.

>>26993
Do I have to repeat myself? It is shit writing, because they had no reason to be there. And they certainly weren't tracking him just to show up there. Maybe you just want to fit in your headcanon? Whatever it is. Yes, the scene did what it wanted, while sacrificing any sense of logic as other things in the show. But again, even if they were personally trucking him and went just to make faces at him, which is all super stupid, they are completely justified at doing so from their point of view, because they think he is a rapist scum. What part of it do you not get?

>>26995
>It is shit writing, because they had no reason to be there.
There's plenty of reason in the meta-narrative, and that's all the scene needs.
>while sacrificing any sense of logic as other things in the show
No citizen of the kingdom doubts for a second that the princess said the truth. They don't interact with him because they all think he's a rapist and a legendary bad guy, not because they are afraid of governmental persecution. There is no sense of logic in the government throwing him out, but somehow that resulting in societal exclusion only. And that's just the most basic of problems in the logical construction of this series. Except it's not a problem in the meta-narrative, so I don't care the least for it.
>What part of it do you not get?
I don't get why do you take all of this so seriously.

It's a simple revenge story. Protagonist gets thrown out of society because of injustice; protagonist goes off barely surviving in a harsher environment; protagonist learns useful skills in order to survive; protagonist comes back and enacts revenge using these skills. That's been the basic outline of revenge stories since forever. Everything serves this being a revenge story. If you've convinced yourself that the actual plot is worth taking seriously, and that it's about survival, and that it should make sense, more power to you. Obviously that's how you personally enjoy this series. Except there are the occasional scenes that can't fit in your theory, but you manage to dismiss them as shit writing.

>>26996
I don't care what the story is about, but you are not even following the conversation any more. With any part of your post.

>>26997
"Following the conversation" in this case would mean tacitly agreeing with your premise that this is a story that should be taken seriously and as if it makes sense. That would do me no good if I want to support MY argument.
Sure, if we drop the conversation on what is bad writing and decide to take everything seriously just for the heck of it, that would be a more fun conversation to be had. But that would require you to also play along with the conversation, understanding that this shit isn't meant to be taken seriously and the rest of the hivemind does it just for the joke and the intellectual challenge.

With that being said, let's go back to
>Raphtalia mentioning the demi-human sudden growth spurt was the first time anyone other than a hero had mentioned levels
So, what's that about? What level are adult demi-humans? They are probably higher level than the kids? But they probably aren't high level like Raphtalia? Like, leveling up brings faster than normal growth, but normal growth brings smaller increase in level?

>>26998
By following the conversation I meant that >>26990 The hourglass scene. So my post here >>26991 was about that scene specifically.
About if it is a story about survival or revenge, I don't really care. I just said so far there has been no active revenge going on. Maybe it will change, but it will seem off to me. Currently at least if any "revenge" happens it feels like it will be just the consequences of something other than revenge planning or at the very least something cartoonish. Maybe because I actually don't take story that series?
My only real argument here was that there was no conspiracy to with the Shield Hero from the very start. Sure, prejudice, but the plan wasn't to fuck with him, at least not on a wide scale. There were the legends and the fact he has a shield. That's it. No one wanted to arrest him for that. Later the information that he is unaware of the setting leaked or whatever and people accepted that he is no good as a hero. Even then the king was willing to give him the most money to help him in some way. So eventually he got accused of trying to rape the princess and only then they stopped being just dismissive of him, but hating on him for being a criminal scum. That's it. That's my argument and I was making it, because some people were claiming something more was going on.

>>26999
Sure, you can say it's not a conspiracy right now, it's just because of the legends and the shield that every single person hates him and tries to exclude him from the society. If I remember correctly, the legends were implied to be a result of conspiracy though. And the actions of the princess involve some mild conspiracy to fuck with him, again because she feels vindicated to fuck with such a legendary powerless lowlife. But that indeed doesn't mean the entire populace is in on the conspiracy.

Is this cartoonish rivalry the revenge story?

One serving of mood whiplash, freshly baked.

This is definitely not going to come up again.

Smug.

Yes, this is what I want from this show. Entrepreneurial spirit and practical problem solving with a dab of cute raccoon.

This has to be one of the most insulting takes on a character death fakeout I've ever seen. It would've been far less offensive if they simply removed the blood spray entirely.

So why did they all join together on the ship to fight the wave, exactly? Did everyone forget that they're meant to stay away from each other?

>>27360
Because that rule doesn't apply for when the waves in actions. It just a way to force them to act independent otherwise, except when they are drinking at a bar.

>Magic Sony Vegas
I can't stomach any more of this.

Where is your revenge story now, fag. It was so obvious even back when we argued about it here.

This shit has become even dumber since the end of the human kingdom arc. Now all of the other heroes are dicks and comic relief too. Not only Spear continues to be buttmad and in denial, the others' attitude towards Shield has become worse for absolutely no reason. Sure they did their whatever adventures without thinking about the consequences before, but they actually listened more to Shield and weren't complete faggots. Now their characters have become just Spear with a different weapon.
Any dark side of Shield has completely disappeared and now he is just constantly getting glorified as the just hero of the story.

>>27878
It's not even fun like Smartphone. It's just dumb and frustrating.

>>27883
You guys will make me watch Smartphone one day and I will hate you for that.

>>27902
>I will hate you for that.
Because you'll like it so much, right?

>>27906
Doubtful, as I've already dropped it once.

>>27907
You should fix that posthaste, my dear anon.