No.19315
>>19305>Is this the face of desperation?yes
No.19389
>>19371>Mangaka-san to Assistant-sanDidn't the sequel to this manga get axed or something?
No.19424
>>19422Eromanga-sensei never draws any tits.
Because she doesn't know what tits look like. No.19533
>>19509Well.
It seems like MC is the only thing stopping his sister from raping people. That's also okay.
No.19826
So she is not only his non-blood related sister-in-law, she is his first fan and basically childhood online friend. To top it she learned to draw lewd pictures from her lewd mother that was also a lewd otaku artist. How can anyone win against so many clichés?
No.19830
>>19828I expected to not get attached.
No.19831
>>19827I don't understand why you'd watch Oreimo and expect - or want - anyone but the sister to win.
No.19832
>>19831People didn't expect anyone else to win, but there's every reason for people to want someone else to win, mostly because Kirino is an unlikeable cunt. This show is a lot better in that regard at least, Sagiri isn't the least likeable female character in it.
That's Muramasa. No.19839
>>19832Kirino wasn't the most unlikeable character in Oreimo either, that was Manami. Kirino's "bitchy" phase was in reality just the "this is your little sister in real life" phase.
No.25098
I watched this after a year of being skeptical about it simply because Sagiri's pajamas are just way too cute. And, I definitely feel that my skepticism was misplaced and I'm not really sure why it gets so much shit. I think the second season of Oreimo just left a really bad taste in my mouth for 5 entire years but at this point I think I can safely say that's been cleared out.
The author clearly "gets" light novel romcoms and uses the perceived trashiness of the genre to his advantage by not holding back at all. This series is much more self-aware than Oreimo ever was and is much better for it (in the first place, I only ever thought Oreimo was bad because of the shitty drama, which this show has none of). Some moments get pretty ridiculous/over-the-top/tropey, which I think turned a lot of people off of the show, but IMO a lot of the little things about the interactions between the characters made up for that.
I think the jokes are funnier than most LN romcoms, the characters have better chemistry and are more interesting (mainly Masamune and Sagiri), and even the art stood out to me, particularly the backgrounds.
The weakest episodes for me were near the end, during the episodes where Sagiri makes almost no appearances, which kind of made me realize that the supporting characters are not very strong. Still, I feel like anyone who's ever enjoyed a similar series and doesn't take romcoms too seriously should be able to enjoy this.
Also, I bought the pajamas.
No.25101
There's also that it was non-blood related which a lot of people see as a trick of shitty writing to get out of making something taboo and associate with the kind of poor writing endemic to writers who pull their punches like that.
No.25104
>>25101I think every single aspect of Eromanga Sensei can be seen as a trick of shitty writing.
No.25112
>>25100So basically, the only ways you could dislike this show is if you're self-conscious about enjoying ecchi romcom anime, or you just don't like ecchi romcom anime in the first place. I like ecchi romcom anime, so I liked this. I didn't say the characters are deep, but I do think that they have chemistry that creates amusing situations.
>>25101Personally, I think the not-blood-related thing is nitpicky and a sign to me that you are taking it too seriously. Maybe you just didn't like the comedy, but don't make it seem like the intricacies of the writing are what matter in a comedy anime.
No.25116
>>25112>So basically, the only ways you could dislike this show is if you're self-conscious about enjoying ecchi romcom anime, or you just don't like ecchi romcom anime in the first place.Eh, there's plenty more reasons you may dislike the show, but these two are probably the main ones for the backlash.
No.25122
>>25098>>25100Revelling in how trashy your ecchi romcom tropes are might make you self-aware, but it doesn't make your show good. The only time the show was actually funny for doing that was in the opening minutes of the first episode. That's a show that would've actually been entertaining.
No.25126
>>25122So what would make an ecchi romcom good then? Can it only be good if it avoids tropes entirely?
No.25127
>>25126Avoiding the tropes is stupid. You can use the tropes well, instead of just being self-aware about them. Imouto Sae Ireba Ii for example is an excellent example of an ecchi romcom that is totally self-aware, yet doesn't depend on that and actually has some good writing. You'd probably need a whole season to figure this out, though. It would be enjoyable, but the realization that the enjoyment doesn't come from it being self-aware will probably be in the end.
In comparison, judging by this thread, I was utterly bored with Eromanga Sensei by the sixth episode.
No.25128
>>25126Disclaimer: most people don't actually want to watch "good" ecchi romcoms. They just want the ecchi to be good. Eromanga Sensei ticks this box, but I guess it got too many people self-conscious that they enjoy trashy ecchi romcoms.
No.25131
>>25128>Eromanga Sensei ticks this boxDid it? I don't remember.
No.25135
>>25131The ecchi was better than most anime since the early 2010s ecchi apocalypse, but the jokes actually being funny to me was the main thing that made me enjoy it.
No.25140
>>25128>>25135What the hell are you talking about? Eromanga-Sensei didn't even have much fanservice to begin with, so I wouldn't even describe it as an ecchi series. When I think of an ecchi series I think of something like DxD or Shinmai Maou no Testament, not a show that just has a few embarrassing situations spread throughout but with barely a pantyshot and nary a nipple to be found.
>>25126Specifically going out of the way to avoid tropes usually just ends up with a different kind of bad. But you can't just embrace shitty tropes while saying "haha we're embracing the shitty tropes", because being self-aware doesn't stop what you're doing from being bad. Drakengard 3 was the video game equivalent of this; having characters complain about the shitty level design and tedious gameplay didn't stop the level design from being shitty or the gameplay from being tedious.
The things you actually need for an ecchi romcom to be enjoyable are simple: likeable characters, entertaining writing, and interesting scenarios. Shimoneta was probably the best example I can think of for how well it did all three. Eromanga-Sensei on the other hand was just thoroughly average, never aspiring to push any boundaries or do anything other than rehash the same tired characters and tropes we've all seen before a hundred times. That's why the absurd opening few minutes of the MC's fictional LN were great, and the rest of the show wasn't.
No.25141
>>25140Yeah that is basically why I said it's better than "most since the ecchi apocalypse" since there have barely been any half-decent ecchi anime this entire decade. It's a dead genre.
Anyway, if you think the tropes are inherently bad then you basically admit that you don't like ecchi romcoms in the first place, because those tropes are what this entire genre are built upon. I still thought that this anime had likeable characters, entertaining writing, and interesting scenarios but obviously we disagree on that point (For the record, I think Shimoneta is overrated and don't get why someone would like that and not this).
I'd rather have an anime that embraces the tropes than an anime that just falls into them half-assedly.
No.25147
>>25140>Eromanga-Sensei didn't even have much fanservice to begin with, so I wouldn't even describe it as an ecchi series.However, if we don't count it as ecchi, then it had TOO MUCH fanservice. Its fanservice was directly detrimental to doing a serious story, or even to making it funny. Stuff like Ben-to can get away with not being called ecchi, because it actually uses its fanservice to characterize the MC. It went out of its way to present all fanservice shots in a way tied to his PoV, so that we get reminded non-stop that he's a horny teenager. In comparison, Eromanga's fanservice was there just to break immersion and focus on fanservice (which is the reason we like ecchi shows). Oh, and, I guess, to say: "lololol, look how self-aware this show is, we'll just slap some fanservice in this scene".
tl;dr: if you aren't enjoying the fanservice in Eromanga, I don't see how you can enjoy the rest.
And vice-versa, if you're enjoying the fanservice, you enjoy the whole series too. The fanservice may be lackluster, but as
>>25141 said, it's better than average for the last few years.
No.25148
>>25146>That's Imouto Sae Ireba Ii, not Eromanga Sensei.Shit, you're right. I was attributing the former's introduction as the only good thing about Eromanga-sensei. I guess there just wasn't anything good about Eromanga-sensei after all.
As for Imouto, I only watched the first episode of that. I was too disappointed by everything after the first few minutes.
No.25149
>>25148Well, as I said, probably most of your disappointments get overturned later. But you probably won't get a kick out of bait and switches if you expect them. I'd recommend you give it another try ONLY if you for some reason feel like seeing the two love stories, of MC x Boob Loli, and of Gay Friend x Normalfag Girl. It had plenty more good about it, but none of it can carry the show. Even Best Girl 2017
>>21538 can't compensate for you disliking the rest.
No.25150
>>25149I already heard the spoilers about how
the MC's little brother is actually his sister and he doesn't know and that was one of the reasons I specifically decided not to watch past the first episode. The pervert girl was cute but the first episode already dumping drama about how she was broken and saved by the MC's trashy LNs was too much for me to stomach.
No.25151
>>25150See? Otouto being imouto doesn't even come into play during this season, MC gets together with the pervert girl, and there's practically zero drama around that. Faggot x normalfag has slightly more drama, but it's again handled maturely by the characters without unnecessary delays. The otouto-imouto gets zero fanservice scenes, doesn't want MC's dick, and just wants the family to be on nice terms again.
But yeah, bait and switches aside, and love stories aside, what is the rest in Imouto Sae? The author has learned from Haganai, bringing over all the good parts, like the rape-filled tabletop RPG sessions, or UNIVERSE. But humor alone can't carry the show. Also, besides the otaku stuff, the characters do lots of the normal college-age stuff, like drinking, playing tabletop games, going out, and so on, all of which is well presented. But that can't carry the show either. And, of course, the story around their professional realization. That was okay. Nothing too special, but nothing insulting our intelligence either. Frankly, the things we would normally consider "main" stories - the professional realization and the otouto-imouto stuff - don't get anywhere during the first season, and we're left with one huge "fuck you go read the novels".
Well, that paragraph should be giving you relatively accurate expectations. I don't think I'd be giving the show another try if I were you, but at least now it'd be for the correct reasons.
But I'd still watch a few clips in youtube with Best Girl.
No.25153
>>25151>the things we would normally consider "main" stories …don't get anywhere…we're left with one huge "fuck you go read the novels". I laughed, because this describes probably a good 85+% of all LN adaptions, then I was hit with a wave of absolutely crushing despair.
No.25154
I wonder if
>>25098 feels silly now that he was being worried over bumping an old thread. Or maybe actually the discussion is scaring him.
No.25159
>>25154This discussion was fine, I expected to be disagreed with. I just wanted to defend an anime that gets a disproportionate amount of hate. I don't think it's one of the best in the genre or anything, some of the other shows mentioned in this thread are much better, but I didn't see why people who usually like this kind of anime would hate it so much.
No.25163
>>25159I have to question what the point is of introducing a character like Elf and setting up her romance with the MC just so she can then lose to the little sister with it being a foregone conclusion. Or like photo girl in Just Because. It's like they're going out of their way just to make people hate it when they spend episode after episode building up a relationship just so the MC can go "sorry I liked this other girl already and all of this was a waste of time". At best it's used for the MC to realise his feelings towards the other girl, at worst it's written specifically so that the new girl can suffer.
No.25164
>>25163I think it was pretty clear from very early on that none of the girls besides Sagiri had a chance. Where exactly did you see a relationship between MC and Elf building up? I don't believe it was ever anything but Elf's one-sided affection.
Her interest in MC was nothing but a way to set up gags. She and the other female side-characters are weak characters, I'll admit, but some of those gags were funny.
No.25167
>>25164>Her interest in MC was nothing but a way to set up gags.You clearly took the story a lot less seriously than the author did. Or did you completely forget about episode 9?
>>19827 No.25169
>>25167That episode is the only one where it isn't played off as a joke. And, for that and other reasons, episodes 9 and 10 were the weakest of the whole series.
No.25176
>>25169I'm glad you found most of the serious moments in Eromanga to be comedy. That's the best way to enjoy that show.
No.25178
>>25176The only moments that I appreciated as being serious were when they went more in-depth about their passion for writing because that seems like something that the author himself actually cares about.
Like they said in the series, if you don't have fun writing then your audience won't have fun reading. I think that the author enjoys his craft.
No.25179
>>25178Also, some of the moments where they showed MC being a good onii-chan were cute.