No.16276
I hope we can all agree that All Macross' are pretty good
Apart from ZeroSeikan Hikou is a pretty top tier song but Flash in the Dark and Song of Angels Paints are my favourites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77x3EhyjRYMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFRq2avUlCc No.16281
>>16279Killing a waifu is killing your profits. Sad but true. She doesn't die and the ending is pretty good so I wont say anything else because I think you will like it.
No.16284
>>16279Are you saying all of this about Sheryl? How do you not know? How do not get spoiled after the butthurt that Frontier was? I am personally forever going to be mad about. Twice. They did it twice, the bastards.
Go ahead and watch it.
No.16285
>>16283The original macross is an anime classic if you can get past the dated animation it's an amazing show.
DYRL is a cool reimagining worth watching if you liked the original. Story is a little worse but the overall package is really strong and Minmay finally gets some great songs.
Plus isn't that good but it's worth watching for the killer animation. Generally overrated because Watanabe LMAO.
7 is very monster of the week but it's really good by the end. 7 OVAs and movie are super good.
0 is dogshit so bad that it retroactively damages the original series.
Frontier is quite good but it depends on your taste.
No.16288
>>16285Right, I watched DYRL too, but I can barely remember what was different about it.
I guess when I think about it the original Macross was definitely something that stood out for its time, given that I'm still working my way through early Gundam and finding it to be significantly worse.
No.16289
>>16285>>16288By the way, guys, the Frontier movies are quite different from the TV, so you might want to check them out if you haven't.
No.16294
>>16292Alto is overall a soulless character. I don't think they were even trying to make him as a self-insert, they just kind of forgot to give him personality.
No.16304
>>16292Well it was meant to be yet another SDF Macross reference so I guess they thought they were being smart by subverting expectations.
>>16289I know. I heard good things about the movies but I just couldn't make it through them I totally hated the first movie and dropped it halfway through despite liking frontier.
No.16398
>>16397It looked like the Macross Delta team was very proud of the battle for the sea people planet that happened in the end of the first cour. It was very weird to me, because I didn't see it as that amazing. Looking back at it, yes, it was basically a whole episode of action, but I wasn't impressed in any way. Was that just me or you guys would agree too?
I don't remember much of Frontier, but my overall feelings about it, that I still remember, were that the plot wasn't much, but it was enough to sell the concept. This time around I think they had a lot of cool ideas too, but the delivery is just not quite there. The idols are still attractive as idols and you might want to get their CDs, but the anime itself is just lacking. And while I thought that Frontier had weak characters like Alto, I actually think they now have a lot of cool characters that they don't do much with despite spending so much time on them. It is really weird.
No.16399
>>16398I'll get back to you before the show finishes and I marathon through the rest of the episodes. Waiting weekly just isn't the way I wanted to watch it.
No.16456
GIRAFFE BLUES ~Mikumo Solo~
https://a.pomf.cat/uwomyr.mp3 I am starting to believe that Delta will end up with a very subpar song line-up compared to Frontier. They better pick it up in the last 6 episodes.
No.16482
>>16456In the 12 episodes I've seen it's certainly more consistant than frontier was, as much as I liked Sheryl almost all her music that wasn't an ED was shit. Uncertain Cosmic Movement was my favourite song from the first half.
No.16486
>>16482We might not agree on which songs exactly are the good ones, but I had a similar opinion around that point into Delta. But I really am starting to realize that the second cour has been even more uneventful than the first one and after downloading some of the albums I really started doubting how many songs are there and how many of them are actually good. One of the main differences in Delta and Frontier is solos versus group songs. Frontier has more slower songs while Delta has a lot more dynamic and fast passed ones. While I do like some of the Delta songs, solo or group, I don't think there they are as memorably as in Frontier and there are some that just feel way too generic for Macross.
No.16727
>>16398I liked it. I don't know about being impressed on a technical level, but it was crazy, filled with a lot of action, and even had a flying Freyja, with constant fanfare up until the moment it ended.
Everything since then has been painstakingly slow and seemingly pointless in comparison. The whole first half, really. I think they still have enough time to throw some more things out though.
No.16729
>>16727I don't know, maybe I am just not that easily impressed any more and it gets somewhat irking when it feels like this specific scene or episode was made so I would be impressed. Did you catch up? Because the next episode seems like the start of the final attack. I think Delta is suffering from lack of direction (what the series is suppose to do). To be honest AKB0048 might be part of the problem, meaning it might have been hard for Kawamori to not just repeat it, but with a Macross label.
No.16732
Isn't the main song of Not-Sheryl in Delta sort of a melodic copy of one of the 90s big pop songs in the west?
No.16740
>>16729Oh the series as a whole has definitely lost its way after killing off Messer, subsequently forgetting about developing Kaname past being sad in general, drawing out the triangle with pointless consolation prizes to Miragefags when the winner was obvious long ago, and pushing the only thing that might have had a chance to progress the plot (an Imperial Knight defecting to chaos) back into the final fourth of the show.
Its lost its direction, but I can usually still enjoy each episode, even if it's only lead up to a more exciting one.
No.16741
>>16740I wouldn't say that the "winner" has been decided. It can go either way and a bait and switch is normal for Kawamori.
As far as Kaname goes the only thing I know about her is that she never cared romantically about Messer and obviously wanted the captain's dick the whole time. It is almost bizarre to watch.
No.16761
>>16741Unless Freyja actually dies, I am pretty confident she will win.
And if she does end up getting killed off, Hayate would be depressed and any further development between him and Mirage would feel like a consolation prize.
I'm pretty confident Freyja will get some extended lifespan courtesy of Protoculture bullshit, and live happily ever after with Mirage being a good friend to them both.
If it does go a different way I'll be quite glad, but I really don't see the interactions between Mirage and Hayate as anything but an afterthought, with the intention of making it look like she still a chance.
I mean, Hayate's already touched Freyja's erogenous zone multiple times. It's over man.
No.16762
>>16761The most realistic outcome is probably a How I Met Your Mother ending except with Freyja's natural death. Hayate will be left alone with a child and Mirage will be the good aunty that starts living with them. In a way it is a horrifying ending.
No.16764
>>16762I wish their relationships with each other could have turned out more like pic related.
At this point, I think it will only be horrible for one of them.
No.17023
>>16987Windies and their self-righteousness have been the worst part of Delta for me.
No.17025
>>17023I think you are in need of being dimensioned. Then let's see how you feel about it
Also it was obviously Roid pushing for most of the things to happen. The White Knight and even the princess had their moments of questioning what is happening. The White Knight still thinks it is all wrong. All of the Aerial Knights were confused during the coronation.
No.17026
>>17025Was the dimensional bomb a shitty move? Yes, beyond all doubt.
Does it justify sending civilians around the galaxy into murderous frenzies and/or mind control? Not at all, in my opinion.
Sure, get mad at NUNS for being assholes, but then to turn around and be just as warhawkish, and punish civilians on an even larger scale than NUNS? You don't get to do that AND preach about your moral high ground.
Yes, Roid is the driving force, but Cassim's the only one that's really come close to rejecting his methods.
I'll leave off on using Mikumo to force the dimensional self-destruct, since Heinz looks like he didn't expect it to go that far.
No.17027
>>17026The soldier is taught to always just follow orders. The rest aside, one of the main reasons is for chain of command to not get fucked, because everyone gets fucked in the middle of such chaos. What do you think would happen to their country if they start debating it in the middle of the coronation? Roid revealing it then is not just for shock value. And they still have the king that is approving it.
To begin with they are a weak nation. They don't have the power to go against NUNS without the magic they are currently using. They can find as many justification as they want for what they are doing. Liberation, the people they infect never helped them anyway, all of them are basically NUNS, stuff like that. At the end of the day it is war. You don't really need a justification to do atrocities.
No.17028
>>17027I don't care about how they justify it, I care that they're hypocrites, holding the dimensional weapon to be an atrocity, but psychic attacks/mind control are all well and good. Not even in an eye-for-an-eye sense, the windies just don't bat an eye at making use of these tools, but dimensional weapons are still the devil.
No.17029
>>17028If the enemy is not going to play according to the rules of not using super weapons, why wouldn't you use them yourself?
No.17031
>>17029Again, my issue is not really that they're making use of mind control.
My issue is that they need to preach on and on, again and again about how the dimensional weapon was so inhumane and devastating, but do not even think twice about using mind control, and brush it off when Hayate tries to throw it in their face.
It's not "you used an inhumane weapon against us, so we will respond in kind," it's "you used an inhumane weapon against us, but the var is okay."
No.17032
>>17031Why shouldn't they be able to bitch at the NUNS for crossing the line first and opening the floodgates? What's the point of nuclear deterrence if there is no response? Windermere just needed 7 years to acquire a response. Var has not been as destructive to people and absolutely not destructive to nature compared to a dimensional weapon. The primal function of Var is not even to kill. The majority of people that have died were probably military personal that had to be shot dead. It is for the same reason you don't hear people mentioning the fire bombings of Tokyo as much as the nukes. In the last episode Var did the biggest damage it has done so far. And how did it do it? By making people self-destruct with 3 dimensional weapons that were going to bomb Windermere.
No.17033
>>17032In the best case scenario, it's "only" robbing people of their free will on a galactic scale, in other cases, we get stuff like episode 1, which shows var-infected soldiers in mech walkers stomping around shooting down civilians, or civilians killing each other.
And again, the issue is not that they are responding in kind to the dimensional weapons, it's that they haven't even addressed the var. They haven't said "the var is inhumane, but we have to use it in response to the dimensional bombings," or "the var is less inhumane than the dimensional weapon for such-and-such reason," it just doesn't seem to be on their radar of things that might be kind of fucked up.
This is just working off my memory though, so if they did actually talk about it and I forgot, do tell me.
No.17048
>>17033The apples plus water thing is the best example for a critique of what they were doing. Freyja wasn't happy about the apples being used like that. The apple-family man wasn't happy about it either. No one was really happy about it, because it was using the nature their race loves so much to do bad things.
The actions of Windermere were never seen as just to begin with. Don't forget it was a while before they even revealed to the world the truth about the dimensional weapon accident. They begun as the villains and became more nuanced only later.
No.17087
Windermere is still standing, the NUNS is still standing, Walkyrie is still standing. They had to unite for an episode and that was it. I am not sure how much of the start cluster is even under Windermere's control. At best we are back to episode 1. I am starting to think that they want a sequel, but they could have done everything that there was to be done in this anime. It sold, but it sold very underwhelming compared to Frontier. I am just confused at what the hell are they thinking.
No.17088
>>17087Agreed.
It can't just be justified with the "we originally wanted 1 cour tv + movie" excuse, because I don't even feel like the second cour had a movie's worth of development in it.
If the issue was that they only had plot outlined for the first cour, and thought they could figure out the movie plot afterwards, that's still just as bad.